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Post by sisyphus on Jul 30, 2023 9:05:41 GMT
He already has enough money to ensure the future of his family. If future generations are going to waste this legacy it doesn't matter how much you leave them, they'll still waste it.
Not saying you, or anyone else on here for that matter, has pilloried Newcastle but a very large majority of Sunderland fans have. Defending Henderson because "he's one of our own" is no different.
Is that a yes or no 😄 It's a Premiership footballers who earn vast amounts of money are not to be conflated with rank and file workers. On a separate issue & we're getting very close to an avenue we don't want to go down, it makes a total mockery of everything Henderson has spouted on about in the past.
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Post by polyphemus on Jul 31, 2023 7:42:47 GMT
It's a Premiership footballers who earn vast amounts of money are not to be conflated with rank and file workers. On a separate issue & we're getting very close to an avenue we don't want to go down, i t makes a total mockery of everything Henderson has spouted on about in the past.OR, He has used his high profile position, in the past, for the benefit of the community. He has now decided to do what he, (and I assume), his immediate family, belive will be the best thing for himself. He has that right. He is a Pro Footballer. He has chosen to work, at his trade n Saudi Arabia. Is his decision any different to an Engineer who goes out to that region to work for a while? And while I can understand the pionts of view of his critics, I believe it is unfair to put the burdon of opposing the Saudi Political Elite onto the shoulders of a few, relatively young, footballers. That opposition SHOULD come from our Government, and from Governments around The World. THEIR SILENCE IS STAGGERING, but draws little criticism.
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Post by macmackem on Jul 31, 2023 10:27:28 GMT
It's a Premiership footballers who earn vast amounts of money are not to be conflated with rank and file workers. On a separate issue & we're getting very close to an avenue we don't want to go down, i t makes a total mockery of everything Henderson has spouted on about in the past.OR, He has used his high profile position, in the past, for the benefit of the community. He has now decided to do what he, (and I assume), his immediate family, belive will be the best thing for himself. He has that right. He is a Pro Footballer. He has chosen to work, at his trade n Saudi Arabia. Is his decision any different to an Engineer who goes out to that region to work for a while? And while I can understand the pionts of view of his critics, I believe it is unfair to put the burdon of opposing the Saudi Political Elite onto the shoulders of a few, relatively young, footballers. That opposition SHOULD come from our Government, and from Governments around The World. THEIR SILENCE IS STAGGERING, but draws little criticism. [b 👏👏
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Post by sisyphus on Aug 3, 2023 12:04:02 GMT
It's a Premiership footballers who earn vast amounts of money are not to be conflated with rank and file workers. On a separate issue & we're getting very close to an avenue we don't want to go down, i t makes a total mockery of everything Henderson has spouted on about in the past.OR, He has used his high profile position, in the past, for the benefit of the community. He has now decided to do what he, (and I assume), his immediate family, belive will be the best thing for himself. He has that right. He is a Pro Footballer. He has chosen to work, at his trade n Saudi Arabia. Is his decision any different to an Engineer who goes out to that region to work for a while? And while I can understand the pionts of view of his critics, I believe it is unfair to put the burdon of opposing the Saudi Political Elite onto the shoulders of a few, relatively young, footballers. That opposition SHOULD come from our Government, and from Governments around The World. THEIR SILENCE IS STAGGERING, but draws little criticism. What's your view of Newcastle's takeover?
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Post by macmackem on Aug 3, 2023 16:27:18 GMT
OR, He has used his high profile position, in the past, for the benefit of the community. He has now decided to do what he, (and I assume), his immediate family, belive will be the best thing for himself. He has that right. He is a Pro Footballer. He has chosen to work, at his trade n Saudi Arabia. Is his decision any different to an Engineer who goes out to that region to work for a while? And while I can understand the pionts of view of his critics, I believe it is unfair to put the burdon of opposing the Saudi Political Elite onto the shoulders of a few, relatively young, footballers. That opposition SHOULD come from our Government, and from Governments around The World. THEIR SILENCE IS STAGGERING, but draws little criticism. What's your view of Newcastle's takeover? I know it's aimed at Poly, but for what is worth, I would not have minded if they took us over and brought in the backing. I wouldn't have cared what LGBT or whatever there name is said or bleated about.
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Post by polyphemus on Aug 4, 2023 7:50:59 GMT
OR, He has used his high profile position, in the past, for the benefit of the community. He has now decided to do what he, (and I assume), his immediate family, belive will be the best thing for himself. He has that right. He is a Pro Footballer. He has chosen to work, at his trade n Saudi Arabia. Is his decision any different to an Engineer who goes out to that region to work for a while? And while I can understand the pionts of view of his critics, I believe it is unfair to put the burdon of opposing the Saudi Political Elite onto the shoulders of a few, relatively young, footballers. That opposition SHOULD come from our Government, and from Governments around The World. THEIR SILENCE IS STAGGERING, but draws little criticism. What's your view of Newcastle's takeover? That's a VERY complicated question, but I'll TRY to be brief. Firstly, I'd much rather it had never happened. In principle, I'm against Countries owning Sports Clubs. Apart from all rlse, it distorts the whole competition, as far as the finances are concerned. But, in this country at least, that ship has sailed years ago. Plainly The Football authorities were reluctent to intervene, no doubt due to political pressure. In this instance, apart from oil supply, there is a relatively heavy dependency on Arms and Aircraft purchases by Saudi Arabia that no government wants to risk, just because of a Football Team. So, IF, as a Country, GB ltd, is prepared to arm Saudii Arabia then how could they be denied something as trivial as buying a Football Team? And the SUDDEN uproar about Jordan Henderson seems, to me to be something akin to 'Crocodile Tears', on a grand scale. And while the World's press mounted a campaign about the Murder of a Reporter on Saudi premises, there is very little said about the deverstation in South Yemen, (Aden to us elderly folk). There is much about Saudi, and indeed Arab culture that does not sit well with our Western, basicly Christian, culture. During MY lifetime, this gap has widened, significantly. In my case I TRY, to be as tolerant as I can be about, for example, the way people CHOSE to worship their own idea of God. I'm not at all certain that I have the right to be critical. And if I've gone rather off topic here, you asked the question. And if it helps, while I would rather that there hahd been no Saudi takeover, I too would have been happy enough if it had been us rather that N/C. IIn the great scheme of things, football is just a Game. POLITICS is somethin much more serious and devious.
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Post by sisyphus on Aug 4, 2023 14:50:09 GMT
What's your view of Newcastle's takeover? I know it's aimed at Poly, but for what is worth, I would not have minded if they took us over and brought in the backing. I wouldn't have cared what LGBT or whatever there name is said or bleated about. I expected that answer from you, hence the reason I didn't ask you.
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Post by sisyphus on Aug 4, 2023 14:57:34 GMT
What's your view of Newcastle's takeover? That's a VERY complicated question, but I'll TRY to be brief. Firstly, I'd much rather it had never happened. In principle, I'm against Countries owning Sports Clubs. Apart from all rlse, it distorts the whole competition, as far as the finances are concerned. But, in this country at least, that ship has sailed years ago. Plainly The Football authorities were reluctent to intervene, no doubt due to political pressure. In this instance, apart from oil supply, there is a relatively heavy dependency on Arms and Aircraft purchases by Saudi Arabia that no government wants to risk, just because of a Football Team. So, IF, as a Country, GB ltd, is prepared to arm Saudii Arabia then how could they be denied something as trivial as buying a Football Team? And the SUDDEN uproar about Jordan Henderson seems, to me to be something akin to 'Crocodile Tears', on a grand scale. And while the World's press mounted a campaign about the Murder of a Reporter on Saudi premises, there is very little said about the deverstation in South Yemen, (Aden to us elderly folk). There is much about Saudi, and indeed Arab culture that does not sit well with our Western, basicly Christian, culture. During MY lifetime, this gap has widened, significantly. In my case I TRY, to be as tolerant as I can be about, for example, the way people CHOSE to worship their own idea of God. I'm not at all certain that I have the right to be critical. And if I've gone rather off topic here, you asked the question. And if it helps, while I would rather that there hahd been no Saudi takeover, I too would have been happy enough if it had been us rather that N/C. IIn the great scheme of things, football is just a Game. POLITICS is somethin much more serious and devious. Thanks Poly.
"I do believe when you see something that is clearly wrong and makes another human being feel excluded you should stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them,"
A direct quote from Henderson.
If Henderson stands up in Riyadh, or any other Saudi town/city and expresses this type of sentiment, then I'll be the first, in what should be a very long line, to apologise.
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Post by polyphemus on Aug 5, 2023 8:08:59 GMT
That's a VERY complicated question, but I'll TRY to be brief. Firstly, I'd much rather it had never happened. In principle, I'm against Countries owning Sports Clubs. Apart from all rlse, it distorts the whole competition, as far as the finances are concerned. But, in this country at least, that ship has sailed years ago. Plainly The Football authorities were reluctent to intervene, no doubt due to political pressure. In this instance, apart from oil supply, there is a relatively heavy dependency on Arms and Aircraft purchases by Saudi Arabia that no government wants to risk, just because of a Football Team. So, IF, as a Country, GB ltd, is prepared to arm Saudii Arabia then how could they be denied something as trivial as buying a Football Team? And the SUDDEN uproar about Jordan Henderson seems, to me to be something akin to 'Crocodile Tears', on a grand scale. And while the World's press mounted a campaign about the Murder of a Reporter on Saudi premises, there is very little said about the deverstation in South Yemen, (Aden to us elderly folk). There is much about Saudi, and indeed Arab culture that does not sit well with our Western, basicly Christian, culture. During MY lifetime, this gap has widened, significantly. In my case I TRY, to be as tolerant as I can be about, for example, the way people CHOSE to worship their own idea of God. I'm not at all certain that I have the right to be critical. And if I've gone rather off topic here, you asked the question. And if it helps, while I would rather that there hahd been no Saudi takeover, I too would have been happy enough if it had been us rather that N/C. IIn the great scheme of things, football is just a Game. POLITICS is somethin much more serious and devious. Thanks Poly.
"I do believe when you see something that is clearly wrong and makes another human being feel excluded you should stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them,"
A direct quote from Henderson.
If Henderson stands up in Riyadh, or any other Saudi town/city and expresses this type of sentiment, then I'll be the first, in what should be a very long line, to apologise.
I sincerely hope that he will do no such thing. For the majority of my life, homosexuals in THIS country have been persecuted and sent to Jail. The first one I met was a MT driver, who was waiting for his Sentence to be confirmed, before being sent to The Military Prison at Colchester, where he would have faced a very tough time. Later in life I had a hobby, showing dogs. This hobby was very popular with what became known as 'The Gay Community'. At no time was I offended by any of them. Most proved to be good friends. My view was, and is, 'let them get on with it. They are not doing me any harm'. Now back to the 'topic'. I believe that every country has a right to set it's own Laws. It's citizens have the right to freedom of religion. IF, enough of them are unhappy with their lot, it's up to them to change things. It's not the responsibility of 'foreigners' to impose their standards on them. I believe, based on my time serving in The Middle East, over fifty years ago I admit, that most of the citizens of this area will support a government that abides by The Koran. I don't see that I have any moral right to oppose this other than to disagree with some of the teachings which to MY view are inflexible for this moder World. But when I see the empty Christian Church buildings and compare these to the full Mosques, I have to admire AND RESPECT, the devoutness of these adherents. Which, FINALLY brings me to The Henderson situation. Anyone seeking employment in a foreign country must abide by the Laws and Standards of that Country. IF they are unable to do this then the simple answer is, DONT GO. Anything else is at the very least, disrespectful. At worst it's insulting. Your quote was Henderson supporting a view held by many, but unfortunately not all, in THIS country. Many of us would and did applaud this. But to make the same remarks in any country where you were a guest and where they would be seen to be insulting to their Laws and Their God, would be reprehensible. So you will note that with this 'philosophy' of MINE. it is possible to support MR Henderson, while at the same time, holding sincere views, broadly similar to yourself. I don't expect to many to openly agree with me, but please see my signature.
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